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RAWW Podcast: Pam Montoya – Sustainable Swimwear, Female Empowerment, and the Rise of Confidence

• Sarah Freeman • Season 1 • Episode 7

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What happens when a national swimmer from Colombia channels her passion for the water into creating a sustainable swimwear brand? Meet Pam Montoya, from Rise Swimsuits, who joins us to share her inspiring story from swimming championships to entrepreneurship. Alongside her partners Louisa and Esteban, Pam has crafted a brand that stands for beauty, eco-friendliness, and more. Listen as we discuss the symbolism behind the name “Rise” and the hurdles they overcame in developing sustainable fabrics that make a difference.

Feel the electrifying connection between swimming and personal triumphs as we dive into what fuels motivation and joy. We reflect on the gorgeously transformative experience of women feeling confident in their swimsuits. From building a supportive community to celebrating adults overcoming their fear of water, this episode is a heartfelt tribute to the empowering journey swimming offers.

Join us for an engaging exploration of swimming locales, personal mantras, and post-swim rituals. Pam shares her favorite swim spots in British Columbia and the uplifting impact of having a positive mindset. We also honor the resilience of remarkable women her mum and Simone Biles.

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Speaker 2:

Welcome back to raw podcast. If you're literally just diving in here for the first time ever, raw stands for rad active water women and those are the guests that I invite onto this podcast. And today we have Pam from rise swimsuits. And I came across Pam and her brand, rise, on Instagram and through some of my friends out there too. But then I went to a swim event and it was, I think, kind of meant to be because I knew I wanted to buy one of their swimsuits and I came across there was at the swim across the lake in Kelowna and I'm like I just have to buy one today. So I bought one and I've been swimming in it and I love it and I'm like you need to be on my podcast. So today I want to welcome Pam Montoya onto Raw podcast. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 1:

Well, no, thank you for inviting me, it is. It is amazing to to be here and to know more about you and to also spread a little bit the boys on our swimsuits and tell people what we're doing amazing and I just love what you're doing out there and um, can you tell me?

Speaker 2:

I know you may not want to tell me tons about yourself, but we can combine this with like who are you, pam, and who is Rise like swimsuits?

Speaker 1:

Okay, so I, well, I love swimming. Well, I'm from Columbia and I used to like swim, swim, swim my whole entire life. I used to be part of the national team. My strongest game like event was actually open water. I really really enjoy it, even though, like, I have my deepest respect and I'm super, super scared sometimes of like the open water, but I really enjoy it. I think it's kind of like the adrenaline and, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1:

Um, so, yeah, I swam like my whole entire life and I've really really loved having nice swimsuits. Like, for me, that was like my passion. And and then two years ago, um, well, I have my business partner her name is Louisa and then my boyfriend, esteban he is also a swimmer. We decided to start this business. The main reason was like, of course, we wanted to kind of like have this like beautiful options, but we wanted to bring something that was like good course, we wanted to kind of like have this like beautiful options, but we wanted to bring something that was like good for the environment. Um, so that's how we everything started. So our passion for swimming, our passion for like also like feeling good with a swimsuit and feeling kind of like empowered, but also, and super big, um like, engage uh with the, with environment.

Speaker 2:

I love that, and so I'm curious to know, pam, like where did the name rise come from for your brand?

Speaker 1:

well, uh, we kind of like had this like conversation and it came from like rise have like different meanings and well, it's not only kind of like, kind of like glow or grow, uh, but also like in like in french is very similar like to like smile, like to laugh, like something positive, um. So then we're like let's go with it, and we didn't like go much through. Not very long ago we were having this conversation of like should we actually change the name? Should we like keep it? And we were like, oh, let's just keep it like it is nice. It still kind of like means a lot. It can be like a lot of like bringing that empowerment of like, especially women, uh, like to rise and like to feel comfortable and to feel pretty like, for for us is like the main, like one of the main things too.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I, like I, like I said at the beginning, I bought one of your senses and I love it. I love that I got bought the tie back one and the color is like this purpless purple color and I get a lot of compliments on it and it's just, it's yeah. I love the name too. Like that caught me as well. It's like rising into being a woman, right, or whatever that is in swimming. Rise can mean so much to everybody, but I love that name. So awesome work all of you. So I'm curious to know, like, where did the love of water come from? And like, designing that, like the swimsuits, and bring that life? I think it came partly what I'm hearing is through your love of swimming. But like, can you tell us a bit about that journey and how it came to life in the environmental side of?

Speaker 1:

things okay, so. So yes, when we kind of like decided to, okay, let's do something, let's do swimsuits like the first thing that we put into a table, we're like, okay, if we do this, we have to do things different. Like there is a lot like not anyone, but like there are a lot of swimsuit companies, there is a lot of people producing and producing.

Speaker 1:

It is not fair that we just come in to just produce and don't give anything to the planet so do we start kind of like digging and trying out the phase of like the development almost took us a year to finish the products. Like test the fabrics, do everything because we were not sure if that. Because like the fabric, like you can also have a sustainable fabric, but probably it's not good for swimming. You know what I mean. Like it, yeah, I know what you mean. Like some, some of them could be like non-chlorine resistance. So like what's the point of having a swimsuit that it's like sustainable and beautiful if you use it twice and it's gone?

Speaker 2:

yeah, you don't want to sit right. Yeah, I mean a different kind of swimsuit, so so what can you like to anybody who's listening right now, like can you explain kind of what the what your swimsuits are made out of, or part what they're made out of, because I found that fascinating.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so well, in this development of like, okay, we want to go uh, into just like, being sustainable, being sustainable. The fabric is. They collect, uh, plastic bottles from the ocean and they are like, transform into. I don't know if you've ever seen how plastic, like industrial plastic, is. It's like little like, um, I don't know what shape is that, but it's like little like. What would be the name of that like? Okay, like little circles, let's say, okay, like little little circles. Are you, maybe you do like, do wax, like, if have you ever seen, like, how wax comes? Yeah, it's just like a little.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't know what that figure is, but it's just like plastic things, um, in like very small pieces. That's how plastic comes in and then, but this bottles are transformed into, into those little like circles, let's call them, and then those they're just like plastic bottles transform and they can be transformed into other products. Right, um, then you can do other products. Sometimes they can be transformed into another plastic bottle depends on like the industry, those things can be transformed into another. Plastic bottle depends on like the industry, those things can be transformed on anything, right, um, anything plastic. But then like, uh, swimsuits in general it's or at least in training swimsuits. There is plastic on the swimsuit and that is what makes the swimsuit kind of like more, uh, like tight. That is like the part of the swimsuit that makes it tight and, like all of the brands do that, and that is what it's called polyester. That it's oh yeah okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, polyester, it's plastic, okay. So that is what makes the swimsuit very tight and that is one of the properties of the fabric of swimsuits, or at least training swimsuits. Yeah, that is kind of like the one that people desire the most, because the more polyester, kind of like, the stronger yeah.

Speaker 2:

I remember using one where I didn't like there wasn't much in it and it like just started to like I don't say disintegrate, but it was not holding together yeah, so you want that polyester, like that is a feature that you need on the swimsuit.

Speaker 1:

So then these little circles are. Then, when they are going to be transformed into the swimsuits, then what, what they are like? They do like little. Um, they become what's that name of? Like, like little. Let me just translate this. No worries threads, they're translate like baby threads threads yeah, okay, kind of like, yeah, so they.

Speaker 1:

So then. But so the swimsuits can made out like there are two options or you make them from plastic plastic, or you can make them out of recycle plastic, right, so what we peg on the fabric is to do the recycle part, okay, but like it could be any of the two options, because, anyways, the swimsuits yes or yes, well, well, that's what makes the swimsuit good that has polyester on it well, thank you for explaining that.

Speaker 2:

I was educated today. That was awesome. So I'm gonna just dive into kind of a different, slightly different direction and because I know like you're a swimmer and just like myself, and so how has swimming, um, like helped you move through like any stress in your life do you find could be like anything?

Speaker 1:

I think swimming in general gives me life. Like I love swimming. I think swimming is the best part and even though, like, sometimes it is difficult because I like I have a job, I have a full-time job, I also work um this beautiful company that I love and I'm passionate about but sometimes I don't have time. But swimming is kind of like that active part that keeps me kind of like going, and I've never regret a swimming session like I haven't, and I'm 29 years old. And then I like there's no one moment that I'm like, oh, but in the like in the other side, if I don't go, I feel so guilty. I'm like, oh, my god, I could have gone so easily. So so, yeah, no, I think swimming is the best swimming is such a beautiful like sport.

Speaker 2:

Um, and, yeah, I love how you said like swimming gives me life. Um, it's, it's so true. There's so much to it. It can bring peace into your life too. It's just, yeah, it's very inspiring watching, like other women out there who are swimming in the open water and in the pool men too, but I'm just talking about women today so, um, I just think it's amazing to watch. So, thanks for sharing that. I love it, um. Next question what was one of your best like? You can take this two ways, pam either your best memory and like creating like the swim product, or one of your best memories you've had as a swimmer. So I'm gonna give you that choice.

Speaker 1:

I think I would say yeah, yeah, I would say that swimming, I think the best, um, the best feeling is when you win, and not only winning can be like a medal. Winning can be fish, like finish a race. Winning can be just like, um, you know, beating that time that you've been working for, or achieving that goal that you were looking for. So I think that, in a competitive but personal way, like not only like, oh, I'm gonna beat that person. No, it's more like beating myself, like pushing my own limits. I think that every time that I do like I, I get super happy and I like try to do a bunch of races and like challenge myself. So so I think that those are the little moments of swimming that I'm like, oh, my god, this is so amazing, like and motivates me to like keep training. And then in the other side, well, in the company, well, we are still.

Speaker 1:

So we took a year to develop, uh, like products, tests, fabrics, absolutely everything. So then the second year was, so we've been just like one year since we launched our first kind of collection. And that moment when we launched our first collection, like I wanted to cry so bad and like seeing a bunch of friends and like every time that someone buys a swimsuit, like I wanted to cry so bad and like seeing a bunch of friends and like every time that someone buys a swimsuit, like I just get like so excited. I'm like, oh no, yes, thank you. I really like it.

Speaker 1:

It makes me very, very happy that there are a lot of women that we are. They're like feeling super cute and nice and they are feeling part of their body and that is awesome. I love that.

Speaker 2:

I love it so much and I see it right. I see it in your social media, but I hear it in your voice too. You know, even when I met you as well, there's, there's, a lot of love put into those swimsuits. That's what I see. When I met you as well, there's, there's a lot of love put into those swimsuits. That's what I see. So next question how does water build your self-confidence, your self-esteem, and what would you tell other women that are listening right now?

Speaker 1:

how does water? Hmm, I think I think everyone like I, I try to tell everyone that go swim. I know that sometimes can be intimidating. Uh, especially oh, you know, this is, this is a big one especially people that it's already an adult but that they don't feel comfortable on the water, like in the water.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes people feel like so embarrassed to ask for help and they just, like you know, put water into a side and like, okay, no, then I'm not gonna do this because, like I don't want to tell my friends that I don't know how to swim, and I think this process of building, like once they decide like I'm gonna do it, it's so beautiful, like I've seen people that you know they were so afraid and once they like start their lessons or I don't know, it's lonely, connecting with the water. It is amazing and I see it like on those people that I know and, of course, my connection with the water. I don't know I really love being on the water. I I feel like I don't know the best. I like floating, I don't, I don't know I really like swimming.

Speaker 2:

And it's, it's amazing to see like I hear what you're saying. When you see other people, maybe they're struggling, right it's. It's that I see it as a coach, like you know, coaching women that are all adults, you know, and maybe that they're just starting out, but the self confidence and how that can build is really beautiful to witness. You know, and seeing something that you and myself are very passionate about the water and someone else doing that, it's incredible to witness, don't you agree?

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, it is. It is really, really good, and I know that we've been like talking more about women and I don't want to exclude men as well, because we do swimsuits for men as well. It's just, it's on. We don't and I don't want to exclude them from this conversation. It's just that women struggle more into putting on a swimsuit. Like there are a lot of like beauty standards and that we put ourselves into our heads and we feel that we don't have the body for a swimsuit and and it's harder for women to sometimes put on a swimsuit and decide to go and like and like in the water. It is a harder process. Sometimes like we feel judged I don't know when, like I don't know how society has done this to us, but like we do feel the pressure of like if I don't have the perfect body, I shouldn't be wearing that swimsuit and one of the.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I agree with you, and one of the beautiful things I love is like seeing women like that actually can be. The hardest part, like what you're saying, is getting into that swimsuit and showing up on the pool deck or showing up to swim, you know, and then. But then when you see people embody that their body no matter anybody's body it's beautiful and then they learn how to love the water and it's almost like that other part starts to just kind of drift away and they just embrace that.

Speaker 1:

So, but I know what you're saying and it is amazing, like what can a swims like that part of being on the water and being on a swimsuit in front of a lot of people can do to a woman? And so we have this like customer that she wanted to buy a swimsuit, the cross bag. The cross bag has like a little bit less coverage than the other ones, yeah, and she was like I don't have the body for that swimsuit and I was like there is no perfect body for any swimsuit. Like if you like it, get it.

Speaker 1:

And you took like she took a little bit like she bought it and then she took a little bit like to wear it and once she started wearing it like she just felt like so beautiful and the colors and the colors make that like people give you the compliment of like oh my god, that color looks so nice on you. And like she received so many compliments when she used that swimsuit that now she takes. I think she's one of our like number one, like girls that take photos with our swimsuit and she's like the other day she wrote me like a message that I was like crying because she was like you can't, you can't believe what you've done, like you guys like, gave me that confidence of like wearing swimsuits again and feeling okay, connecting with the water, because I was missing out, because I thought that I wasn't, you know the perfect body to wear a swimsuit. And, like you said, there's no perfect body.

Speaker 2:

It's like everybody has their own body and you just learning to embrace that and yeah it's. But it's interesting, though, pam, like you and I picked a sport where we wear the least amount of clothes and it's like I don't know it's. It's funny. I was like scrolling in my photos, like last night, and I'm like I was trying to look for a photo of to send someone and I was like I'm in a swimsuit in so many of them. I mean, this is obviously apparent. This is what I love to do, so, but it was just. It's awesome and I love seeing other women step into that swimsuit. It's almost like they're you know, I don't know. It's like a uh, they're superhero hero like costume like, and the confidence going through the roof is just.

Speaker 1:

I love seeing that, just like you do yeah, no, it is it and it gives a lot of like. You know that makes like you or like other women feel like so good when you have a friend that it like doesn't feel comfortable and then, like she finds courage, or people around her encourage this person and then they finally do, and then it's like, you see, like there there was nothing. It was all like things in our brains that put those barriers, but they don't exist. Like anyone can be using a swimsuit and like who cares?

Speaker 2:

yeah, yeah, just embrace your your own body and put that suit on and give her like there's, there's just so much, yeah, like in the water there's so much more right than the swimsuit, so it can be very freeing. So, okay, we're gonna move on to another question. This is like I love this topic. Um, let's see, on the hard days, like how, like on your hard days, like how does water and swimming help you move through those tough days and tough moments for you, pam Um?

Speaker 1:

well, well, swimming is like my cure because like once I'm in the water, I'm like there to swim, like I forget about all of my problems. I forget about everything, even like the good stuff, the bad stuff, anything that is's outside I it's like I know I start swimming and I'm like I don't know thinking of how many labs I've done. So like I don't, I don't know. My brain is like on something else. So like busy, just like into the water that I don't have time to. I swim most of the days like around an hour and that hour is like totally for swimming. Like I'm not thinking of like oh, I'm gonna reply to this person, or oh, I'm missing this at work, or blah, blah, blah, like no, absolutely not.

Speaker 1:

I'm like all in for like thinking of, like my, like my technique, how to improve. If we're doing a set, then I'm like all into like counting the laps, because I have very bad memories. So I'm that person that in a 400 will do 450, because I have no idea how many laps I've done. So I'm like all the time just like into swimming. So it is awesome because that part kind of like disconnects me from the outside and gives me that time, just like for me. And then when I'm out, then I have kind of like a calmer perspective of whatever was happening. If it was a good thing, then kind of like I also pause and I'm like, okay, this is happening and I kind of like understand what good things are happening. And then if it's a bad thing too, like there are issues and everyone has problems, but then that swimming part disconnects me and then when I'm back I have like a more like good vibe to receive even the bad news.

Speaker 2:

I love that. It's incredible what swimming can do to reset you and to bring in that clarity. It's uh, I love that. Thanks for sharing that. I love that. All right. Next question what has water taught you to infuse into your everyday life outside of the water?

Speaker 1:

what has water. So I think that there are um different topics here because, like, as I used to like swim kind of like professionally well, that like those trainings like built all about who I am today, like I'm have a lot of discipline, I'm like super dedicated, organized, I am super persistent, like some of like the good qualities. But I think that this is kind of like an athlete um like set that comes with like sports and on a lot of levels it doesn't have to be kind of like super competitive, like also, if you're an athlete that you're going every day to do your activity, you're building that kind of like mindset in your life. So I feel like that part came from all that like dedication and like being there on time and like that kind of like rushy, of like go swim, then go to school, then come back and swim and then go back and do homework, like it. It gave me kind of like a lot of like good skills in who I am today.

Speaker 1:

Um, but then right now that I'm like more calm I I'm I'm still like more into like being disciplined and like I do still swim every day and I love it being disciplined and like I do still swim every day and I love it. But I think that now the qualities or the skills that kind of like water gives me is like that time for myself, like sometimes people don't disconnect and I feel like people need to find that activity or that moment even if it's meditation or yoga or whatever it is to connect with yourself and kind of like forget about the rest of the world, and I think that that's what swimming gives me and I feel like that's such a like mental health um activity for me, so I love it absolutely, I love that and thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 2:

Um, I'm sure there's some women and men out there but women, water women that can relate to what you just said. Um, it's interesting when I speak to like other women that love swimming in the water. It's like there's a special like connection that we all get about the water and I guess that probably goes for a lot of other sports. But I feel like swimming is really special in the water. It brings a lot.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think it's really good that I don't. I don't know what is it, but like definitely, like just putting your, I think it's also kind of like the relief, like even of the weight of your body. Maybe I have no idea, but like it's just like there's, like like it's I don't know, it is awesome, like you know yeah, you just got to go do it, okay.

Speaker 2:

So I have some fast fun like questions for you, okay. My first one is cause I'm because I'm adding a new one here. My first one, so I'm curious, is are you doing another? Are you doing an event this year? If you are, what is it?

Speaker 1:

an event like a race, like yeah.

Speaker 1:

I think, um, I will try to go to the north, like the one that they do at Harry Jerome at the pool. Um, I can't remember what the name of that race is. I think it's in november. I went last year. It is. It is awesome and it's awesome. It's in harry jerome in north vancouver. It is a 25 meter pool. It is one day, it is a saturday, so you kind of like you can swim 25 meters, that's it. That can be your, your race. You can do it in flyback. They have like a bunch of events. I think the longest event is 200, so it is like awesome, I think like fun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah it is. It is a good race. I like it, um, so I'll definitely do that one. I think I'll try to do another open water. I think there is one in September. I might try to go to that one.

Speaker 2:

Or you come to Kelowna. I'm doing the oh my goodness, Glottenly Bay with some across the lake. There's one there. When is the one? That is super long. There's a 2.5 and there's a 5k. I'm doing the 5k.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's awesome oh yeah, you can send. Can you send it to me? What is this? Yeah, I'll send it to you afterwards.

Speaker 2:

You're awesome. Okay, let's keep going through our fast funds. We'll come back to that afterwards. So what is a mantra, a quote that you live by?

Speaker 1:

I think there's always like a reason. I think that this is my good mantra and I try to take like even bad things. I'm like there is a reason why and life, destiny, god, whatever we want to call it it's trying to stop me go that way. So I'm going to take it the best way and then find another way. All right, I don't. I don't get that much like upset when I don't get what I'm expecting or whatever.

Speaker 2:

I love it Okay, next question three favorite places you love to swim um uh in here in.

Speaker 1:

Vancouver, wherever anywhere in the world, okay so, um, well, let's say Vancouver, or like not Vancouver, sorry, bc. I really really love um across the lake. I love lake because I, as I told you at the beginning, I'm too scared sometimes of the ocean and I'll go crazy if I see like a big animal. So I like lakes. You're like summer, that's awesome, so the lake is awesome. I did the last race at kids, kids, kids challenge and it was awesome. And then, uh, sass mat. Oh, sass mat was super good, super calm. I really really like that one where was that where's?

Speaker 1:

that one sass mat is like what an hour from vancouver. It's kind of like pork with quitlam, I think okay, I'm learning stuff today.

Speaker 2:

Okay, next question do you have any post rituals after your swim?

Speaker 1:

uh, I every time, well, on a raise or on a day, a day, let's do the every day on. On every day, I don't think well, I always shower. Yeah, please, people take the chlorine out of your body. So I always shower. And then I, well, sometimes, when I have time, I love having like this, like five minutes of like I don't know, just like with a towel, kind of like looking at the nowhere. I'm actually just like thinking like pause, like totally pause. I don't know what I, why I do that sometimes, but I'm just like.

Speaker 1:

I'm kind of like resetting myself to continue, but yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2:

Okay, next one. So what is one thing you would like to master outside of swimming?

Speaker 1:

outside of swimming. Huh, I think that I would love to improve um like designing, like in terms of my career or in terms kind of like on the swimsuit, a company I think I would love to keep improving, to come with like nicer designs, um like, so right now I do the designs. I'm not a graphic designer. I had kind of like to learn how to do it and I did a couple courses, but I would love to be like an expert and then come with awesome, awesome, awesome designs.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I like your. I love your designs. I think they're beautiful.

Speaker 1:

Um what's in your swim bag oh, I have at least like two or three caps, I have two goggles, um, then I have, of course, a towel, deodorant, uh, shampoo, and I have my hairbrush, and then of course, I have my little like bag, like the mesh with my fins, my pole boy, my like the, um, my paddles, and what is the other thing? I don't have a board. I hate the kickboard and I think that's it.

Speaker 2:

I love it. So you, technically, you have two swim butts, um, okay, so the women you admire most and why, and you can name two women if you want to. I know this is hard, but this one's very, very hard um.

Speaker 1:

I think uh into kind of like a personal uh way, the person that I admire the most is my mom. She is like hard worker, as she really is, she is awesome. She gives it all for the family and I think that she kind of like tries to bring that sparkle, and I love it. That is kind of like the perfect combination of like being independent, working hard, but also having that little splash for the family, and I love it. And then into a more kind of like broad um. I think, uh, well, right now, with all of what's happening, simone files, I watch like the documentary and I'm like, well, it takes a lot of courage to like give up or like put yourself aside into an Olympic dream for your mental health and also like for the benefit of the team. So I think that it it is incredible. It is incredible everything that she does and decide to come back stronger. It is. It is awesome. I think that, yeah, I really admire her.

Speaker 2:

I love it. Thank you for sharing that. I know it's hard to answer that, so I have one last question for you, and what brings you the most amount of joy in swimming? What's the one thing?

Speaker 1:

What is the one thing? I think it's the people you meet with. Swimming I really really like going into a race and you know, meeting again with people saying hi, and sometimes you meet people that you kind of like just see on the races so then, like, whenever you see them again, it's like oh hi, how it's been like, how's everything. So it is really really good to connect with the people, the community. I feel like, uh, even though, like, I like I'm not saying that every swimmer is the best person in the world, but sometimes they are so I really really really kind of like connect and that we have kind of like the same passion, like not everyone understands, like the swimming world, so I don't know, connecting with people that also like and are passionate about this it is awesome. So I think it's the community, the people, everything.

Speaker 2:

I love that. So thank you, Pam, so much for being on Raw Podcast. Thank you for talking about Rise Swimsuits. I will be dropping in the show notes like the link and how you can reach out to Pam and follow her on Instagram and the team and see all of the incredible swimmers out there. So, Pam, thank you so much for being brave and saying yes to being on raw podcast.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, thank you for inviting me and then inviting us as a brand, because, yeah, it is, it is, it is amazing. It is good to have this little space and talk about women, talk about empowerment, talk about sustainability. It is and the most important water, like swimming, that is what connects us all, so that's good.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, pam, for being a guest on raw podcast and for taking the time to talk about rise swimsuits and just how incredible they are. I know I love my suit, um, and I will be sharing more details in the show notes, as mentioned, um, how you can find more information on these suits and following them on Instagram as well at Rise Swimsuits. Thank you everybody for supporting Raw Podcast, for listening. I would absolutely love it if you would leave a comment and rating. This helps us grow even more and we can't wait until our next episode. That will be coming up in September and we will have many more incredible guests every month and if you are one of those people who are like, hey, I would really like to be on raw podcast, please reach out to me. Thank you, everybody for your support. Have a beautiful rest of your summer and keeping that incredible, rad, active water woman you are.